{"id":163551,"date":"2018-02-15T13:30:25","date_gmt":"2018-02-15T13:30:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.welovecycling.com\/wide\/?p=163551"},"modified":"2018-02-15T17:56:57","modified_gmt":"2018-02-15T17:56:57","slug":"interview-best-bike-builders-world-talking-trends","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.welovecycling.com\/wide\/2018\/02\/15\/interview-best-bike-builders-world-talking-trends\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with the Best of the Bike Builders\u2019 World: Talking the Trends"},"content":{"rendered":"

The decision to become a custom bike builder is definitely not an easy one. You have to be tough and unrelenting to make a name for yourself in the world dominated by corporate companies with armies of engineers and designers, and even larger teams of sales & marketing specialists. Yet there are those who succeed nonetheless and who are sought out by cycling enthusiasts from all around the world. We talked to three of them to explain why so many believe a custom-made bicycle will always beat one from the production line. <\/span>So we asked three masterminds who managed to make a breakthrough in this competitive field, meet Doriano De Rosa, Richard Sachs, and Julie Ann Pedalino.<\/span><\/strong>
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The \u201cLatest Bike Tech\u201d vs. The \u201cCustom Bike Tech\u201d<\/span><\/strong><\/h2>\n

The use of technology by international bike manufacturers involves an array of <\/span>3D<\/span> design softwares, <\/span>3D<\/span> printers, automated manufacturing systems, resistance tests<\/span>,<\/span> and countless additional steps before a product reaches the customer. <\/span><\/p>\n

In contrast, custom bike builders are working in a rather evolutive fashion, by gradually improving their products based on personalized talks with their customers, sheer experience<\/span>,<\/span> and an \u201corganic\u201d understanding of the materials they are working with.<\/span><\/p>\n

Doriano De Rosa<\/strong><\/span>: <\/span>Technology is a great help in our job, but it cannot replace the experience acquired over the years. Personally, my training came from what happened in the 70s where professional frame-builders had only one material and one standard in terms of tube-sets. As such, our attention was mainly focused <\/span>on<\/span> the bike geometries and how to improve it.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/BdzY10unGTN\/?taken-by=bixxis<\/p>\n

At the same time, we were learning a lot from the races. In fact, most of the things I learned about my job came from listening patiently to <\/span>pros\u2019<\/span> thoughts and the feeling<\/span>s<\/span> they got experimenting with different fit solutions. Or, simply to our customers speaking about their experiences while riding the bikes I was building for them at De Rosa.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

You can\u2019t have this kind of responses from any software and<\/span>,<\/span> today, the frame builders do projects and draw geometries using softwares. <\/span>Surely<\/span> [that is] <\/span>very helpful but<\/span>,<\/span> at the same time, you need to know which data you have to <\/span>digitalize<\/span> to obtain a good drawing.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

In the words of Richard Sachs:<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cTechnology is a poor substitute for experience<\/span>.<\/span>\u201d<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Richard Sachs, we\u2019d love to get a better understanding of what you mean and how does this transfers onto bike design? How does technology & experience best interact when designing a bike?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Richard Sachs<\/strong>:<\/span> This phrase, on my website and printed collateral since 1990, can mean\u00a0different things on\u00a0different days. It’s an emotion, and I cling to it tightly because I believe (from my observation) that people want a fast-track to an end. Be it speed, ease-of-assembly, even audience!<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Let me make two\u00a0examples, both cycling related.\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

On one hand, we have the consumer\u00a0base. The average client wants as much as is available and will spend money for it. To be clear, whenever a new product is\u00a0introduced, or a new way to do something, or a\u00a0component that guarantees to cheat the wind, then folks are all over it and I think it’s silly.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/BbjnQcyjI5E\/?taken-by=therichardsachs<\/p>\n

If one person, or a racing squad, or an elite\u00a0assemblage of riders has the innovation, then yeah – it’s a positive thing. But when the <\/span>trickle-down\u00a0<\/span>effect of more cogs,\u00a0drifters rather than down tube levers, or wheels with a\u00a0certain\u00a0profile (Note: all of these are examples; there are many others I could select), when all of us have the new goods, the playing <\/span>field<\/span> is even once again.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Yet sadly people seem to fetish over the “This year’s new\u00a0gee-gaw” mentality, assuming it will make them a better rider, a more complete rider, a faster rider.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

On the other hand, I’m not advocating for an industry that doesn’t innovate (…) and replace the old with the new. I simply laugh at the\u00a0way the\u00a0markets work and empathize with both sides, ours as well as the client’s.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Then there is the same drama at play in my trade (the hand-built industry). Without getting too historical too soon, I’ll toss\u00a0up that the niche was on life support for most of the 1990s. I don’t know when or why it happened, but after the lot of us got online after Y2K, there seemed to be this new-found interest in making bicycle\u00a0frames (from many newcomers with zero experience).<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

The thing is, unlike the norm in the twentieth century, the current act appeared more like an \u201cenergy flow\u201d than\u00a0anything else.\u00a0So now, especially in the Internet era, bicycle frame building trade has a \u201cmoment\u201d.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

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To the point, the average cat (person) now involved in the industry comes from a\u00a0zero – almost no background of training (in frame building). What I mean here is real training, not a class, or watching\u00a0another maker for a week and then forging ahead.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

So much so that there’s little critical thinking about the actual item (the bicycle) or its ultimate use on paved roads. Most [of the new bike makers] have near to no knowledge of the\u00a0morphological needs a potential client enters the room with.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

The guy or girl making frames now appears to be in it, first and\u00a0foremost, as an act of expression. Sadly, no one I know from the 21st\u00a0century group has made a decent amount of units\u00a0under the tutelage of a master craftsman, or has worked in industry learning\u00a0the various skill sets.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

These\u00a0folks just wanna\u00a0enter the room, buy some materials from the many distributors, and create. These bike builders are assuming that the tools will do the work by\u00a0themselves, and make little to no effort to learn how to use any of it. I wrote a text called,\u00a0<\/span>Repetition, Routine, and Relentlessness<\/span><\/a>\u00a0in 2012 in which I\u00a0called all of this out.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

For the record, I cared more then; I care far less now.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Form, Function & Fashion<\/span><\/strong><\/h2>\n

As amateurs, when buying a bike, we all put importance on what the bike will look like.<\/span><\/p>\n

Julie Pedalino, please share with us your vision of custom bike building. What is most important? Form vs. Function Vs. Fashion\/Art? Let\u2019s face it, your bikes <\/span>look simply<\/span> amazing with the details you put in!<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Julie Ann<\/span> Pedalino<\/span><\/strong>: <\/span>Ornament and embellishment play a large part in my design process to be sure, but the essence of every bicycle, no matter how beautiful, is that it is a tool to be used for transportation, exercise, adventures, and so on. So the adage \u201cform follows function\u201d holds true for me as frame builder – bikes are meant to be ridden, after all! <\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/BWSg_bmn6-w\/?hl=cs&taken-by=pedalinobikes<\/p>\n

All of my designs start with the intended purpose of the bike. The very first question I ask my clients is about what type of riding they have in mind: would they like a road bike? Touring? MTB? Once we establish the type of riding the client intends to do, I\u2019ll have an idea about where to start with the geometry of a frame. Combine this information with the physical measurements of the client\u2019s body and assessment of their physical capability and I\u2019ve got the framework I\u2019ll need to complete a basic design. Once the basics are sorted out, the fashion and art come into play.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

I work intuitively and allow design ideas to develop in a rhizomatic manner – often starting with but not rooted to an initial design brief from the client. The hope is to end up with a finished piece that is not only quite functional (and fun to ride!), but engages the client in much the same way that a <\/span>marvellous<\/span> painting can, with the power to touch something deep inside and become a source of inspiration.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

The Mass-Market Race toward Carbon Fiber<\/span><\/strong><\/h2>\n

How do you perceive the big brands\u2019 race toward Carbon fiber? Are they actually right in their choice of composites, or do you believe that the choice is solely defined by a cost – benefit analysis?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Doriano De Rosa<\/strong><\/span>: <\/span>I think carbon is the key to get mass production and big <\/span>earnings<\/span>. I can\u2019t judge others who follows this direction.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

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My choices are different. I think it is natural for me to use high mechanical <\/span>property<\/span> metals to create very durable products.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Richard Sachs<\/strong><\/span>: <\/span>To cite a tag line I began using in 1990 and have tweaked once or twice\u00a0since, “The bicycle\u00a0industry makes\u00a0money, I make bicycles.”\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

My\u00a0perception (<\/span>regarding<\/span> your question) is that big brands have to do, and want to do, as much as they can to <\/span>eke<\/span> out a profit. They are in a\u00a0different conversation than the one I’m in.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/BaOVDevjNvw\/?taken-by=therichardsachs<\/p>\n

Larger companies – heck, all the production shops – these entities have to find the most efficient methods to make the most\u00a0commercially palatable goods for the most people. Period.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

There was a time, and it wasn’t long ago, that all\u00a0bicycles were made by hand. And in those work environments, the materials were of lower quality, the work force was more likely than not comprised of people who punched a clock and were happy just to have a\u00a0job and a paycheck, and it was up to the ad department to find ways to make these units\u00a0attractive, be it\u00a0through graphic\u00a0treatment, or nice paint <\/span>colours<\/span>, or by using good looking models in the <\/span>catalogues<\/span>. And that’s not a knock by me, it’s just how things worked.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

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By the 1990s and with the MTB side of the trade already having a decade plus of influence,\u00a0conventions began to change. The\u00a0ubiquitous use of steel as the go-to material gave way to other choices, processes on the shop floor changed as TIG became an accepted joining technique, and little by\u00a0little\u00a0bicycles\u00a0started to look different, and were made differently.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

The carbon fiber as a component is one small part of that long progression. To my mind, I still view all of this similarly. The larger brands\u00a0have to find ways to “produce” finely designed bicycles for the masses, and make money doing it. By contrast, the\u00a0average working\u00a0frame builder relies on his own skill set, intuition, and commitment. We don’t have the same needs as Big Box Brand Inc. because we work “here” for us, for ourselves, not for them.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Lastly, it’s not about material. It never has been. Stuff is stuff.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Julie Ann Pedalino<\/strong>: <\/span>I can\u2019t pretend to be an expert on this topic – I have no experience with carbon fiber and because of that, my bias towards steel is necessarily skewed. Personally, steel is my material of choice for mostly practical reasons: it is relatively easy to machine, readily available, has an attractive sculptural quality to it, and has a wonderful buttery-smooth road feel.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>That said, I do question the fetishisation of weight-savings that dominates the marketing story around carbon fiber and high-end production bicycles. It\u2019s not for me to say whether or not carbon fiber is superior to everything else, or if those marginal gains really help a rider to become faster\/better\/more skilled in a discernible way. <\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Frankly, my opinion is that if a rider believes that shaving ounces off will help them, then they should go for it! But that sort of thing isn\u2019t strictly necessary for all bikes and not every rider is looking to emulate a Grand Tour racer.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

The Opportunities<\/span><\/strong><\/h2>\n

Your thoughts on how to make your products more known\/available without destroying the custom-made part? Where is the <\/span>fine line <\/span>between a boutique shop and a plain large-scale bike manufacturer? Is it the outsourcing part of that fine line not to cross?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Doriano De Rosa<\/strong>: <\/span>For us is very important to maintain the production in-house. It allows us to put attention to every detail in the production steps, where everything is specific and not standard. The use of outside contractors goes in the opposite direction.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/Bd94oJvnGyS\/?hl=cs&taken-by=bixxis<\/p>\n

Our customers know our philosophy, and when they come in the Bixxis workshop, they learn totally the sartorial approach we use to build a bike only for them.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

The customer is the fulcrum of all choice we use to build his\/her frame.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Julie Ann Pedalino<\/strong>: <\/span>This is an interesting question, and one that I find myself pondering more lately – especially as my business grows and my building process transforms. I started building the old school way with a hacksaw and files. This <\/span>low-tech <\/span>process rather quickly became impractical and unsustainable for the type of work that I am interested in creating. I\u2019ve since been moving towards more automation with CNC machining and I\u2019ve also <\/span>taken<\/span> an assistant to lend an extra hand when I need it. Which leads to the question: If I\u2019m not <\/span>labouring<\/span> alone with hand tools, is it still a <\/span>hand-made <\/span>object? Is the value of a bicycle I produce in the process, the ideas, the finished product, or some combination of these things?<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/BRzMeAqh3YW\/?hl=cs&taken-by=pedalinobikes<\/p>\n

Certainly at some point the workshop becomes a factory and the art object just another scrap of disposable bric-a-brac. I\u2019m not sure exactly where the distinguishing line could be drawn here, I but I suspect that scaling, depersonalization, and a strong focus on the bottom line are major factors.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

What do the builders actually use to produce their custom built products? That\u2019s what we\u2019re going to find<\/span> out in part 3 of this interview next week.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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